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Blog EntryJun 25, '10 1:11 PM
by Glen for everyone
I don't think this is a good time to play politics while folks are suffering. I've read a few articles regarding the need to waive the Jones Act such as the following http://blog.al.com/jdcrowe/2010/06/post_1.html.  Obama has not waived the Jones act as Bush did during the Katrina cleanup. Obama's critics state this is strictly because he doesn't want to anger US unions.Agenda's need to be abandoned during a national disaster such as this spill.

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jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
I hope Obama holds the line and finds a way to bring back the drilling ban until they can show they have a contingency plan in place to handle spills.

I keep saying over and over when it becomes Republican vs Democrat in this the people and environment of the Gulf will lose.
bog55 wrote on Jun 25, '10
The enviroment has already lost.If the Jones Act had been waived by Obama the shipping resources of the world could have been used to help solve this disaster.The delay has already been enviromentally costly imo.BP has also decided to use a solvent toxic to marine life to disperse the oil spill instead of Bacterial remediation . BP has thereby chosen to compond the damage their negligence caused. What do you think woud happen if any US citizen drove down to their local beach to change their vehicles oil?I wish the US government showed as much concern regarding offshore drilling.
jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
bog55 said
The enviroment has already lost.If the Jones Act had been waived by Obama the shipping resources of the world could have been used to help solve this disaster.The delay has already been enviromentally costly imo.BP has also decided to use a solvent toxic to marine life to disperse the oil spill instead of Bacterial remediation . BP has thereby chosen to compond the damage their negligence caused. What do you think woud happen if any US citizen drove down to their local beach to change their vehicles oil?I wish the US government showed as much concern regarding offshore drilling.
All the ships in the world could not have stopped the oil from leaking out. If BP had dropped containment boom around the well at about a mile out within a day of so of the explosion it would all be contained in the containment area.

If BP had properly laid boom and if the boom now was properly being laid the oil would be in containment ponds for skimming. But miles of boom being used to block barrier reefs is not the proper use on booming and it doesn't work!

If BP had not sprayed dispersants on the oil was it was blowing out and allowed it to surface, once again it could have been boomed and skimmed. But there are no disaster and contigency plans for wells that are dug in waters so deep humans can not get down to inspect, maintain and repair. BP's plans for this well listed animals and marine life not native to the Gulf, one of their leading experts designing this plan has been dead for over 5 years, BP, Transocean and Haliburton have had similar drilling issues with their equipment around the world, but no one stopped them. Now a judge has green lighted drilling operations to begin again so that this can happen again at another well.
bog55 wrote on Jun 25, '10
My brother's who were in the military refer to situations like this as being FUBAR.
jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
CF, FUBAR and SNAFU. BP did it and now we all have to pay the price
bog55 wrote on Jun 25, '10
CF, FUBAR and SNAFU. BP did it and now we all have to pay the price
This won't be cleared up in just a few years either. I've read articles in which some supposedly knowledgeable folks are stating they expect the eventual costs to exceed a trillion dollars and their's a cap on BP'S liability so some folks are also now discussing nationalizing BP's assets.
jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
BP will be protected by Big Oil. This week in Europe the ole boys network got together and supported BP and threatened the US about lifting the moratorium on drilling in deep water. The unspoken threat was if we didn't lift the band we would pay the price.
bog55 wrote on Jun 25, '10, edited on Jun 25, '10
Big oil's threats are just another reason to switch to natural gas to power our vehicles imho .In Oklahoma there is now a goal to have a CNG station every 50 miles along the states highways by 2015.I'm also curious if the Gulf spill is a societal changing disaster or not after reading this article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/briallen-hopper/obama-oil-spill_b_623563.html .
jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
Maryland announced charging stations for electric cars yesterday. They will be solar powered charging stations. Another good step
jadedruid wrote on Jun 25, '10
Exodus 7 comes really close. Good article
guyinsanfrancisco wrote on Jun 26, '10
bog55 said
Big oil's threats are just another reason to switch to natural gas to power our vehicles imho .In Oklahoma there is now a goal to have a CNG station every 50 miles along the states highways by 2015.I'm also curious if the Gulf spill is a societal changing disaster or not after reading this article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/briallen-hopper/obama-oil-spill_b_623563.html .
If BP weren't stopped from burning it off which is SOP by Obama, oil would not be anywhere near the coast. Having reached the beach and wetlands, not burning it off is causing further enviormental damage that wouldn't otherwise happen. There are so many "new school" methodologies to prevent and correct that are even better than the tried and true methods I was aware of.
miles58 wrote on Jun 28, '10
There's a lot of disinformation being spread by the divisive right wing of the Republican party (Sarah Palin, et al). These are the ones playing divisive politics and it is shameful. The truth is the Jones Act so far is a non-issue. There are at least 15 vessels from foreign countries helping, and one turned down was one from France that offered a chemical dispersant that would do more harm than good. It's also important to note that none of the offers that I'm aware of offered for free. They are offering to sell their services, which puts a whole different spin on things. Like taking bids from contractors, we have to choose the ones that will do the job right for the right price.

From FactCheck.org:
"...In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts. The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.

Why was the Jones Act waived as part of the Hurricane Katrina response, and why hasn’t it been waived now? Katrina inflicted massive infrastructure damage, which restricted the availability of key resources. According to the Deepwater Horizon response team: "A Jones Act waiver was granted during Hurricane Katrina due to the significant disruption in the production and transportation of petroleum and/or refined petroleum products in the region during that emergency and the impact this had on national defense." The Deepwater Horizon spill has yet to affect infrastructure or oil and gas availability; the damage is environmental, and foreign vessels are approved for delivering resources and conducting offshore skimming. Although the Jones Act is currently not applicable, the federal government has taken steps to expedite the waiver process should the oil spill response require a Jones Act waiver for trade and commerce.

Also, contrary to reports such as the one on "Fox & Friends," international assistance has been accepted. To date, 25 countries and four international organizations have offered support in the form of skimming vessels, containment and fire boom, technical assistance and response solutions, among others. A chart provided by the State Department shows that as of June 23 five offers had been accepted and 50 were under consideration — including multiple offers from a single country or entity. One offer had been declined: France offered a chemical dispersant that is not approved for use in the United States..."
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/
bog55 wrote on Jun 28, '10, edited on Jun 29, '10
I don't think JD Crowe http://blog.al.com/jdcrowe/about.html is a tool of Fox news.He seems to call things as he sees them. Seeing this cartoon by him will document this pretty well. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8357436
miles58 wrote on Jun 29, '10
Regardless, Crowe did not do his homework on this one. Read the comments on his blog.
bog55 wrote on Jun 29, '10
I read what was on factcheck and I wasn't too impressed. There are a lot of folks who don't consider factcheck.org to be the final determiner of what's correct about anything due to their past decisions like this. Statements like this just appear to be political doubletalk to the right,(1)"In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts. The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply.(2)Although the Jones Act is currently not applicable, the federal government has taken steps to expedite the waiver process should the oil spill response require a Jones Act waiver for trade and commerce.(3) international assistance has been accepted. To date, 25 countries and four international organizations have offered support in the form of skimming vessels, containment and fire boom, technical assistance and response solutions, among others. A chart provided by the State Department shows that as of June 23 five offers had been accepted and 50 were under consideration."
To anyone demanding that the Jones act receive a blanket waiver to clean up this spill , these type of statements just lead to more political accusations going back and forth. Folks in Alabama are upset by what they see as delays.
bog55 wrote on Jun 29, '10
If BP weren't stopped from burning it off which is SOP by Obama, oil would not be anywhere near the coast. Having reached the beach and wetlands, not burning it off is causing further enviormental damage that wouldn't otherwise happen. There are so many "new school" methodologies to prevent and correct that are even better than the tried and true methods I was aware of.
On the 71st day some progress is made http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29193453.htm
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